Is Hedge even possible? (winning or breaking even during a cycle)

An event MUST happen within a defined limit! Discuss facts relating to all Non-Random theorems and their general application in Roulette - based on multi-spin events, the limits of random, and deadlock situations that prevent Non-Random from working out of the box, so to speak. This means playing our own game, with the casino trying to predict and win over us rather than us trying to predict the next spin; individual spins are unpredictable - yet they are part of underlying structures over several spins that we must aim to exploit (or "crack") so that we can catch more wins (or spins!) within an event limit or before a deadlock. Includes discussions about other contested theorems and systems, such as winkel's Great Universal Theory (GUT). Money Management (MM), positive progression and ideas about hedging/stitching/parlaying bets is also encouraged here - keep to theoretical bias only - ahead of finding an actual winning method that works flat-betting.

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Is Hedge even possible? (winning or breaking even during a cycle)

Post by MoneyT101 » Mon May 15, 2017 11:41 pm

To illustrate what I mean: lets create an example roulette game and try to meet all above requirements. please note this is just an example,not a winning strategy!! It just illustrates how we can use the features to build a method + some bonus info on which I will never elaborate!!

Session: we start at will, we stop when 3 unique dozens have appeared
negative permutations: repeats of previous dozens!, zero's or a combination

Lets define the betting unit U as 4*b, b=base bet, 1 dollar, 10 cents or whatever. So in our system 1 unit = 1U =4*basebet

bet1:
if previous dozen=1 or 3: bet 0.5 units on dozen, bet 0.25 on line that completess the half, bet 0.25 on the zero and bet 1.5 units on the oppisite half
if previous dozen=2: bet 0.25 on line, bet 0.5 units on dozen that completess the half, bet 0.25 on the zero and bet 1.5 units on the oppisite half

what can happen:

1. opposite half (another unique dozen): we win, technically the session is not ended, but we end it anyway
2. zero, we win, technically session is not ended, but we end it anyway
3. covered dozen -> we win 0.75 units on the negative permutation, so overall we lose 0.75 units (instead of the 1.5 units we would have lost without covering the negative permutations

spin2:
if zero falls, or the previous dozen repeats, we can repeat the previous bets
if the line falls we cover the previous 2 dozens + the zero (with 0.25 units) + the half that contains the dozen not yet fallen
This is from an old post in roulette forum by user reddwarf. I tried to create the same situation with dozen 2 but the numbers are not correct. Can anyone find the way this is done?

Dozen 13 came out, so....

zero ----- .25 ---------wins 4.25(minus .25) ----------If outcome Profit 1.75
Line 3 --- .25 ---------wins 1.25(minus .25) ----------If outcome Lose 1.00
Dozen 1 - .50 ---------wins 1.00(minus .50) ----------If outcome lose 1.00
High ----- 1.50 --------wins 1.50(minus 1.50) -------- If outcome Profit .50

How he got .75 win/lose? Where did i mess up?

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Re: Is Hedge even possible?

Post by falkor2k15 » Tue May 16, 2017 10:21 am

Well done for attempting! I'm not yet courageous enough to do so... but at least I've finished testing dozen cycles supported by halves, so will soon be in a position to test hedging bets myself. I suspect we may need to first hedge and then stitch 2 hedge bets via a parlay? My understanding is that we need to hedge/parlay in such a way as to effectively bet several partitions at the same time to win a cycle or at least break even. I look forward to testing soon.

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Re: Is Hedge even possible? (winning or breaking even during a cycle)

Post by falkor2k15 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:05 pm

Apparently, hedging "dilutes" the variance, resulting in clusters that could potentially be exploited?

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Re: Is Hedge even possible? (winning or breaking even during a cycle)

Post by falkor2k15 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:34 am

This is the best post in quite a while, posted over at rouletteforum.cc, based on reddwarf's teachings... once Priyanka also provided a spreadsheet for stitching the same kind of bets.
MoneyT101 wrote: This is one bet! They go together do not seperate.

So the system will bet on low/high

For the sake of understanding 10 units on EC and 9 unit on numbers will be used (low/high)

When you see LH (you can bet L or H but whatever you decide you stick to it)

So for this method bets will be like this...


Example 1
RR.... bet 10 unit on red
LH ... bet 9 units red high numbers

Example 2
RR.... bet 10 unit on red
LL....bet 9 units red high numbers

Example 3
RR.... bet 10 unit on red
HL... bet 9 units red low numbers

Example 4
RR.... bet 10 unit on red
HH..bet 9 units red low numbers

Example 5
RB... no bet
HH...LL...HL...LH

Example 6
BR....no bet
HH...LL...HL...LH

I'll get into examples in a bit... I'm doing all this on my phone because my wifi is down 😫

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